"Bibles and Burgers"

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 "Bibles and Beer" has grown in participation that there was an interest in forming a (first rate) second shift in a different venue, at a different time, so even more people could participate.  It does not appear that the minimum age of 21 is required for this group, but people should keep in mind that this is still meant to be an opportunity for adults to interact as the group studies the Bible together. 
Bring an open mind, a desire to listen and learn and enough money to pick up your own tab.
Starting September 19th we will have a lunch time Bible study called "Bibles and Burgers." It will start at 11:30 AM at 2 Doors Down. Come in, order a burger (or whatever you prefer) and come upstairs for a great discussion. 
 
(UPDATE 10-6-2011
NEW TIME and NEW LOCATION! Starting Monday October 10, 2011 we're moving to a new location and new time,  NOON. We'll meet at the COMEA Shelter dining room from noon till 1 PM. COMEA will serve a very nice lunch for $8 (cash or check). FREE parking. If you're planning to attend let Rev. Rodger McDaniel know so we can give COMEA a head count. COMEA is on West Lincolnway...Lincolnway and Stinson
 
1504 Stinson Ave., Cheyenne, WY 82001

Menu
It's difficult to give an exact menu because they rely on donations, but COMEA plans to always have chicken/tuna/egg salad (one) each week if folks don't like or can't eat what he has. This first week will be sandwiches of some kind and a side. When possible, they have a veggie tray or salad which seems to be often.

We will start with the Book of Job. Feel free to invite others!  

(This is already showing up on Blogs in Wyoming!  http://hummingbirdminds.blogspot.com/2011/08/holy-double-cheeseburger-bibles-and.html )

Some basic rules have been established to make this comfortable for people from different faith traditions:

1). No arguing (debating). That does not mean we cannot voice differing perspectives. We don't have to agree on everything. We can learn from each other by listening to each other. 

2). Stick with what the text says. Repeating someone else's sermon doesn't help. What can we learn from the text. This does not mean sacred literature from various faith traditions (Talmud, Koran, etc.) which references the text cannot be considered. 

3). Tip the server generously. It's a lot of work to take care of a group that usually is not spending a whole lot. At least we can pitch in to help those who are providing us with "a neutral place" to meet.

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What this group is studying and when:
Starting September 19th we will have a lunch time Bible study called "Bibles and Burgers." It will start at 11:30 AM at 2 Doors Down. Come in, order a burger and come upstairs for a great discussion. We will start with the Book of Job. Feel free to invite others!
Rodger McDaniel
"... Do you want fries with that?"
12:24pm Aug 25

Starting September 19th we will have a lunch time Bible study called "Bibles and Burgers." It will start at 11:30 AM at 2 Doors Down. Come in, order a burger and come upstairs for a great discussion. We will start with the Book of Job. Feel free to invite others!

Listen to NPR story about "Bibles and Beer" with a mention of "Bibles and Burgers" near the end of the interview. You can hear this at http://stateofthereunion.com/home/season-2-2/wyoming It is found in the second half of "Segment B"   "Wyoming: The New Old West

People are few and far between in Wyoming.  Those that do live here prize tradition, self-reliance, and their connection to the land.  So when change comes to the high plains—an oil boom, a minister with new ideas—communities here are tested.   And neighbors have to strike a balance between preserving their independent way of life, and learning to rely on one another. We trek to the small towns and remote ranches of Wyoming, meeting people as they adapt to the New Old West.  ... And a new minister in Cheyenne makes a bold move to liven up his dwindling congregation."



Webmaster's Note: As discussed at the "Bibles and Burgers" gathering on 9-19-2011, and "Bibles and Beer" gathering on 9-26-2011, referring to the Hebrew Bible (Jewish Bible) as the "Old Testament" is a specifically Christian label which not only does not convey the full sanctity of these texts as they are held by the people from which they originate, but historically has been part of the contextualization of them being something other than currently relevant. For sake of inclusiveness, so that no one from any faith tradition should feel marginalized or that their sacred texts are treated with anything other than sincere respect, as much as possible we are going to refer to what is commonly referred to by Christians as the "Old Testament" as the "Hebrew Bible, Jewish Bible, or Tanakh." When we get to the books that were added by and are common to all of Christianity, we will refer to them as the "Christian Scriptures, Gospels, Epistles, etc." The other books which occur between these two biblical canons we will refer to as "Apocrypha" as they are labeled by the traditions which embrace them. While this may seem like "political correctness" or "mere semantics" to some, it in fact is simply being accurate and precise in describing these sacred texts. For more information about why the people who carried forward these Biblical stories for about 2,000 years before the beginning of Christianity call these texts the "TaNaKh" and how that canon is organized, please view the video below as well as explore the links which follow it. Shalom, Salaam, Peace.

The full course can be found here:
http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebre...
http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebre...

Christine Hayes is Professor of Religious Studies in Classical Judaica. Before joining the Yale faculty in 1996, she was Assistant Professor of Hebrew Studies in the Department of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University for three years. A specialist in talmudic-midrashic studies, Hayes offers undergraduate courses on the literature and history of the biblical and talmudic periods (including Introduction to the "Old Testament"/Hebrew Bible and Introduction to Judaism).

http://www.yale.edu/religiousstudies/facultypages/hayes.html
http://academicearth.org/speakers/christine-hayes-1

Diagrams illustrating the timeline and books of the HB/"OT":
http://www.threetwoone.org/diagrams/hebrew-bible-books-timeline.gif
http://www.threetwoone.org/diagrams/HebrewBibleOutlinePresentation.gif
http://hodos.org/pentateuch/hebrew-bible-people-and-places.gif
http://hodos.org/pentateuch/four-pentateuch-sources.gif
http://hodos.org/pentateuch/genesis-1-11-structure.htm
http://hodos.org/pentateuch/pentateuch-sources-02.gif

Here is a link to where you can find an online Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text (1917 JPS [Jewish Publication Society] edition) which is a start, but should be read with the caution that the JPS edition from the 1980's is considered a superior translation and has the benefit of information from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were not available in 1917.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm

For additional information also please see  http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/index.html


Monday September 26, 2011 We had an interesting discussion last week. Unfortunately we did not get very far in to the text. So this week again we will be looking at the first two chapters of Job.


OMG!!!!  September 26, 2011 (Elul 27, 5771)  GOOGLE and Israel Museum publish Dead Sea Scrolls online!

Here's an interesting fragment which comes awful close to being "older than dirt."
What do you think about this?  Click on the picture above to learn more about it. 




Getting back to Job!
 


Monday October 3, 2011  we continue our study of Job...chapters 3-4.

A page of Job scribed in Arabic 

 
(UPDATE 10-6-2011
NEW TIME and NEW LOCATION! Starting Monday October 10, 2011 we're moving to a new location and new time,  NOON. We'll meet at the COMEA Shelter dining room from noon till 1 PM. COMEA will serve a very nice lunch for $8 (cash or check). FREE parking. If you're planning to attend let Rev. Rodger McDaniel know so we can give COMEA a head count. COMEA is on West Lincolnway...Lincolnway and Stinson
 
1504 Stinson Ave., Cheyenne, WY 82001

Menu
It's difficult to give an exact menu because they rely on donations, but COMEA plans to always have chicken/tuna/egg salad (one) each week if folks don't like or can't eat what he has. This first week will be sandwiches of some kind and a side. When possible, they have a veggie tray or salad which seems to be often.

 


Monday October 10, 2011  we continue our study of Job picking up with Chapter 5.

"We had our first meeting at COMEA...wonderful lunch thanks to COMEA kitchen staff.  Great conversation
re: Job 4-5. Next week we pick up in Job 6-7 asking "Was God's decision to give us free will the source of all human suffering?" Lunch is a $8 contribution to COMEA...start at noon! Ya'all come." - Rodger Mc Daniel

"With friends like this, who needs enemies?"

Monday October 17, 2011  we continue our study of Job and the group felt there is much repetition so decided to read through the end of the book for next week to try to get a better grasp of what is being taught.  We also keep revisiting with the question Rodger Mc Daniel posed at the beginning of this journey, "Why do people suffer, and does this text explain it?"  

 
Monday October 24, 2011  we continue our study of Job ... Bring a friend and join us Monday at noon at COMEA. They serve a great lunch for an $8 donation and the discussion is stimulating. This week we finish up Job and decide where to go next.




Announcing:  Torah Thursdays at Mt. Sinai Synagogue  2610 Pioneer Ave. 
Thursdays – Noon in the social hall – bring your own brown bag lunch 

TORAH 
Thursdays – Noon in the social hall at Mt. Sinai Synagogue  2610 Pioneer Ave.  Bring your own brown bag lunch.  Starts 11/03/2011 (Cheshvan 6, 5772) with Rabbi Harley Karz-Wagman Join in a lively exploration of the core texts of the Jewish people. A working knowledge of Hebrew is not necessary to have meaningful participation in this group.  Most of the reading and discussions will be in English with references to specific Hebrew words or phrases.  Texts for these sessions are available at the meetings.  You are welcome to bring your own if you wish.  Topics will vary depending of the specific interests of the participants. Meet in Social Hall, unless otherwise specified. No fees.  No prerequisites.  Donations encouraged. See Mt. Sinai's website for further details.


"Hmmn ... sort of seems appropriate for Halloween"

Monday October 31, 2011 We thought we were going to be done with Job, but at the session last week a couple of interesting things happened during our discussions and the group decided to continue our study of Job.   Also we enjoyed having Rabbi Harley Karz-Wagman join in as well, and everyone there hopes he will be able to participate with the group in the future.



Monday November 7, 2011 NOON at COMEA House. Rodger said, "We will discuss which Book of the Bible to take top next. Both "Bibles and Beer" and "Torah Thursdays" have been studying Genesis. We might consider one of the Gospels, perhaps the first one written, Mark...Judges is full of lively stories...Revelation would be a great challenge. Come Monday, bring a friend and we will decide."

UPDATE 11-8-2011: Regarding "Bibles and Burgers" meeting at Comea House at noon on Mondays. The "burgers" was a nice alliteration when it got started. Now the menu is as varied as the participants. The group has decided to go "Back to the Future" and starts with "B'reishit " (Genesis 1:1) on Monday November 14, 2011. Anyone who missed it the first time around in "Bibles & Beer" now has another chance to explore "A 
Beginning..."

Here is "Genesis" scribed on an egg. What does this image mean to you?

At the gathering on November 7, 2011 there was some interest expressed in having links to other creation accounts that pre-date the Hebrew text and culture. Per the request of the group, here are some links for anyone who is interested in learning more about this topic. They are being presented without endorsement or debate so that anyone who is unfamiliar of their existence can be introduced to them.



Monday November 14, 2011 NOON at COMEA House. Restarts with "B'reishit " (Genesis 1:1) Anyone who missed it the first time around in "Bibles & Beer" now has another chance to explore "A Beginning..."

We start here.

Monday November 21st at noon at COMEA...the garden of Eden and why Adam and Eve were sent away. See you there?

Monday November 28th at noon to 1:00 PM at COMEA ... Genesis 4, Cain and Abel. Join us for this interfaith Bible study and lunch.



Monday December 5th we are reading the story of Noah and the Ark. Join us at noon at COMEA. Great lunch for $8 and a stimulating discussion of the Bible. bring a friend and join us.

"Bibles and Burgers" is not your traditional Bible study.

 

Looking for something real (and fun)? Join us.

Monday December 12 we are continuing the story of Noah and the Ark. Join us at noon at COMEA. Great lunch for $8 and a stimulating discussion of the Bible. bring a friend and join us.   We need to discuss whether or not to continue this group or to consolidate it into the others.


Monday December 19, we finish up with Noah.
‎"Bibles and Burgers" is on indefinite hiatus. 

On Monday, December 19, the "Bibles and Burgers" group decided to "go on indefinite hiatus." For those who want to continue with a noontime study of Holy Scriptures, Rodger recommended they join in "Torah Thursdays" which does not have a Facebook page but can be found at: http://www.interfaithcheyenne.org/meetings/torah-thursdays "Torah Thursdays" meets a noon on Thursdays at Mt. Sinai Synagogue 
http://www.mtsinaicheyenne.org/ Discussions and most readings are in English.

People are also welcome to join "Bibles and Beer" which meets Mondays from 5:30 PM - 6:30 PM upstairs at "Uncle Charlies" and has a Facebook pagehttp://www.facebook.com/groups/212607758786045/ and can also be found at 
http://www.interfaithcheyenne.org/meetings/bibles-and-beer

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